Today in sketchy CL ads

"Cash Rewards" (cashrewards)
10/25/2020 at 09:38 • Filed to: None

First up is this 2004 Kia optima!

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Overheated and towed home (hey, he’s honest!). But wait, it still runs and drives, just needs a water pump. But you can’t drive it before you buy it. But for real, that engine is toast.

Next up, this slightly worn Porsche cayenne!

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Lets see what boxes this checks! Does not run? Check. No title? check. last titled in a different state? check. needs to be gone ASAP? Check. ladies and gentlemen, that car is stolen.

That was just the first page of today’s CL. Lets see some nicer ones, just for fun.

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I'll take the 911 for 5 grand more, but I would probably always wonder if forced to choose between those two

DISCUSSION (30)

WilliamsSW > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 10:08

I want the 944 so bad...

Cash Rewards > WilliamsSW
10/25/2020 at 10:09

Lower trim turned into a turbo clone with a ls swap, all seemingly well done? Yeah. NP

shop-teacher > WilliamsSW
10/25/2020 at 10:50

Me too. You couldn't come close to building that yourself for $15k either. NP.

WilliamsSW > shop-teacher
10/25/2020 at 11:15

Looks to be done well, though I wonder if the transaxle can handle the LS2.

MUSASHI66 > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 11:23

944 is amazing.

“ 2003 Porsche 911 Carrara 2 6 Speed, clean car fax, none smoker, garage kept, 136,000 miles, cold ac, everything works, no issues, no lights on dash,”

This other Porsche, everything looks great, but for this kind of a car, I want a much better ad, with way more info, and the owner who can spell the name of the car they own.

Cash Rewards > MUSASHI66
10/25/2020 at 11:36

944 has me worried with “tuned 300 miles ago, on Craigslist now” aspect, but yeah, amazing.

Fair points on the 911

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 11:48

So, an “all motor” LS2 putting 500 to the wheels?

On ‘243 heads? I’m not buying what this guy is selling. Might be an OK 944 but the drivetrain don’t add up...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 11:50

His HP numbers don’t add up.

Still an OK 944, but there’s a lot that doesn’t make sense. With the rear transaxle set-up there, even the Big Power to the Wheels begs some questions, too.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > WilliamsSW
10/25/2020 at 11:51

It can’t. That’s problem # 1.

Those were all based on 016 boxes sourced from the Audi parts bin at the time. Very hard to handle big power.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/25/2020 at 11:52

Wont a LS2 do that tho? My LS6 can make around 460whp with other 243 heads and cam.

ranwhenparked > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 11:57

How are the Optima and Cayenne that has been sitting “e ver cents” the owner bought a truck worth any more than maybe scrap value?

WilliamsSW > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/25/2020 at 11:58

I figured. The turbo had 250 hp and a similar level of torque.

Likely not an easy solution either since these had transaxles in back.

Any other obvious issues?

Cash Rewards > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/25/2020 at 12:06

Id like to see the dyno chart for sure

Cash Rewards > ranwhenparked
10/25/2020 at 12:07

They are not worth more than scrap, no

Cash Rewards > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/25/2020 at 12:08

Yeah, citation needed

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > WilliamsSW
10/25/2020 at 12:08

It’s a weird problem because 2WD 016 boxes ARE highly sought because of the unusual configuration— and can bring a lot of money.

01E and later AWD boxes are a dime a dozen. But finding something that works in that rear-mount configuration— that will take a lot of power? it’s a problem. I’m curious what the Renegade Hybrids guys have done.

Seems like somebody’s likely figured out how to modify a C5 torque tube and rear trans combo for this.

I’m having a hard time seeing how stock 243 heads, even with an aggressive cam, gets close to 500RWHP— even if you could get the rear transaxle to handle the power .

our rule of thumb has always been, on ‘243 heads:
a) Easy to get 400 crank HP, with the 550 lift cam
b) Still streetable at 450— likely not to pass emissions
c) To get 500, it’s not going to like running on the street and will never pass emissions. And you better have better springs

That’s at the crank.... To get 500 at the wheels, he’d have to be close to 600 at the crank. I don’t think the heads can flow that, period. Easy with boost, but not N/A/

That’s my take. Still a nice 944.

sony1492 > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 12:15

HAND. THE. CARRE RA OVER SLOWLY AND NOBODY GETS HURT

WilliamsSW > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/25/2020 at 12:15

I always assume claimed power numbers are total bullshit unless there’s a dyno sheet for proof (and then it’s only kinda bullshit lol).

But I figure maybe 400 at the crank and that’s plenty of fun.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
10/25/2020 at 12:15

We’ve done several— so I think we have a good handle on what the stock ‘243s can flow— mostly are doing LS3/L92 square port heads these days though.

On stock 243's, we’re not seeing how they can flow enough to make the 600HP at the crank he’s talking about.

Even the stock LS2 was pushing it for CR— this being pre-DI fueling— so I really don’t follow the math here on stock heads. Maybe shaved heads, massive cam and Race Gas. Maybe.

But, even that part falls apart at a 016 based gearbox that really won’t put 500HP on the ground. So, I’m confused, based on a dozen or so projects that have drifted through my guy’s shop.

Are you running Trick Flow 243's? How much lift and duration on the cam?

ranwhenparked > Cash Rewards
10/25/2020 at 12:18

And, really less than that, because you have to deduct enough for a profit margin, plus the cost of transporting them to a junkyard, also getting the Porsche titled, since yards typically won’t take a car without one.

I’d be in at $150 a piece.

Cash Rewards > sony1492
10/25/2020 at 12:18

I don’t usually like egg-eye 911s or white cars but that one looks so damn good.

Cash Rewards > ranwhenparked
10/25/2020 at 12:24

On that porsche, that just might be 150 in profit, though. It's sketchy as hell

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > WilliamsSW
10/25/2020 at 12:53

Well, yeah, that’s the irony. It’s probably a funner, more balanced car with an aluminum LS6 STOCK motor up there.

A 400HP well-balanced 944 would be amazing fun.

A 600HP 944, given what you’d have to do to get 600HP? A freakshow.

The first thing I’d do, in viewing the car, would be to slap a magnet on the block to make sure it’s actually an aluminum block LS2.

WilliamsSW > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/25/2020 at 12:58

All so true. 400 HP isn’t just “enough”, it’s what I would want. Not 600. Screw that.

400 hp, manual trans, LS noises, and that beautiful yellow turbo look? YES PLEASE

shop-teacher > WilliamsSW
10/25/2020 at 13:04

That I have no idea about.

WilliamsSW > shop-teacher
10/25/2020 at 13:23

SBA answered that question- it’s a “no”, and I’m not that shocked.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Cash Rewards
10/26/2020 at 06:08

buy the Cayenne, what could go wrong?

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/26/2020 at 10:36

I see, I was running stock everything, that 460 wheel.number was from the interwebz.

Also, was it you who was wondering if a stock LS6 is interference or not? It def is, mine bent 7 exhaust valve that I can spot visually.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
10/26/2020 at 10:43

Yeah, guilty. We operated for a long time on the assumption the Gen III and prior were non-interference... I need to track down my engine guy and have that discussion.

There’s no question that Gen IV, with VVT and Cam Limiters were interference motors. And, in thinking about the tiny combustion chambers (60-64cc) on a ‘243 head running 11:1 it becomes more apparent that interference could be an issue. I’ve got a couple of LT4Gen2's and you have me wondering about those, too. So, I stand corrected. Thanks!

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
10/27/2020 at 11:49

It could be that the bigger cam in the LS6 makes it an interference motor...i dont remember the lift off the top of my head but it is more than even the LS1 iirc.